Our current “strategy” seems to be designed to make Iraq a vassal state of Iran while spending over a trillion dollars to improve the infrastructure in Afghanistan before turning it back over to the Taliban.
I haven’t seen it written so succinctly anywhere but that is sorta kinda how it looks from my bunker here in the land of smiles. I’m assuming that the won peace wouldn’t include these two outcomes – but what would it, should it look like?
Is it just me or isn’t something wrong when our Ruling Class either doesn’t know or won’t tell us what peace looks like? In the absence of leadership on this issue, I’ll venture one idea and ask for additional contributions from my fellow members of the Country Class.
We’ll know that we’ve won the peace when: The inconveniences and concerns of present day airline travel mirror those of the day before 9/11.
ST UnWoked & UnVaxxed! 
How is your head in the sand strategy working so far?
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I don’t believe that present day airline travel will ever again be like it was before 9/11. I am ok with that, because if security had been more stringent, there wouldn’t have been a 9/11. The terrorists specifically chose Boston because they knew that security there was particularly lax.
I don’t need airline travel to be just as convenient as it used to be. I would settle for a ruling class that isn’t constantly pushing for more war in more places- wars that they have no intention of ever really winning. Apparently, the ruling class is vexed with Trump because he won’t go to war in Syria. Rumor has it that if Biden is elected, he will send troops to Syria.
We won’t be at peace again until the current ruling class is permanently and finally overthrown. Until then, they will just keep pushing for war and more war, all the while tying our military’s hands behind their backs.
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JaC, “the current ruling class” is within all of us, so “overthrowing” it is a daily, individual battle/decision; not a once-and-for-all state of being. It’s like the battle against sin.
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I hear what you are saying, Nanda, but I think I disagree. Yes, we are all sinners. We are not all traitors to America. We are not all making money off of constant war-we are not all burning down our cities, we are not all trying to carry out a coup to remove the duly elected President. Most of us are not selling America out to China, I could go on.
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Fair enough, but we need to be careful of self-satisfaction, too.
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That is interesting, D’Nanda. Why must we be careful of self-satisfaction?
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Not in all cases, but it can lead to a dulled perception of changes in the social compact (equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome) that used to describe this country; not to mention the havoc wrought by hyphens in our self-definition as Americans. We didn’t “nip those changes in the bud” h/t Bernard Fife, as early as we might have….That’s it, so far, but I’ve got to sleep; more later.
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I don’t want to live in a police state of ever heightened surveillance and security. I want to live in an America that is so feared by the predators that they do no evil.
As you, JaCson have so brilliantly alluded to, we cannot Win the Peace© without unleashing our anti-predators but forever war is more profitable for our Ruling Class and their Illuminati.
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“As you, JaCson have so brilliantly alluded to….”
Thank you so much, Simon. You made my day 🙂
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“I don’t want to live in a police state of ever heightened surveillance and security. I want to live in an America that is so feared by the predators that they do no evil.”
I feel the same way, but how do you deal with kamikazes? During WWII, it is likely that the only reason the Japanese gave up is because their emperor, whom they worshiped as a god, told them to. There is no one authority figure in Islam that will tell the terrorists to stop. Some of them don’t seem to mind dying, as long as they can take others down with them. How do you scare someone who wants to die? It would take a truly miraculous cultural change within the Muslim world for the terrorists to stop.
I believe in miracles. I pray every day that the Islamic world will be saved, but until it is, we are stuck with heightened security.
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And there is also this: even if it were possible to stop all Islamic terrorism tomorrow, there would still be copycats. I am old enough to remember when mass shootings were unheard of. I was working in a bar where a guy pulled a gun on another guy, and nobody (except the guy whom the gun was pointed at) was scared. We were concerned about the guy who had a gun pointed at him, but we were not afraid for ourselves, because it didn’t even occur to us that a mass shooting was possible. None of us had ever heard of anything like that: it just wasn’t even a possibility in our universe. I would love to go back to those days, but how?
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This is very moving thought provoking. I hope you do keep peace you have all been through such hard times
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Thank you and welcome aboard, staciereflects.
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The topic just caught me. I feel we are ruled by self serving elite across the world who just want to make money from war and it is devastating. No concern for people’s lives. I understand the fear around 9/11 and (there are other levels to that story) had the West not interfered in the first place (except for human rights injustices) it would never have happened. It is like a cycle that is never stepped out of. “You did this” “yes but you did this” and all the time the ruling elite are lining their pockets (and stealing what is not their’s ie oil). I’m
so saddened and feel so powerless to it all. I don’t even know if we know the truth about most of it. So sad, so awful.
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Well stated. My point is it is time for the American “Country Class” to take back our country from the ‘Deep State.’ In a true representative republic we would have no need to doubt the ‘talking heads.’
These are frightening times for sure. nCOVID-19 on top is no cherry for lovers of capitalism and freedom.
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I am bitter because our elites in the west will not tell us what a return to a state of peace should look like. They are (almost to a man) cowards and/or take a “don’t know – don’t care”/ above my pay grade approach to the most difficult problems. I remember BHO Omega claiming on live TV something was above his pay grade.
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P.S. Where was Barry while our CIA facilities in Benghazi were being attacked and what was he doing for those 13 hours?
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Thank you, staciereflects. I am very hopeful that the ruling class in America is being and will continue to be overthrown. The scales are falling off of peoples’ eyes. Like most people everywhere, most Americans are decent people who believe the best about others. That is why the ruling class got away with it for so long-we attributed their “mistakes” to human error, and the fact that no one is perfect. Benghazi was a major turning point. When you look at how those in charge handled Benghazi, it becomes fair to ask if those in charge are really well meaning people. Even then, I assumed that they were trying to cover up their own incompetence, which would still be unforgivable, but not a sign of outright malice.
Encouraging riots is outright malice. Leaders who encourage cities to be burned down? Outright malice. Leaders who want to defund the police and disarm the public are displaying malice towards those whom they are supposed to be leading. Plus, the crimes of those like Jeffrey Epstein are not helping the image of the ruling class. We can’t ignore evil forever. At some point, we have to call it what it is.
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“This is very moving thought provoking. I hope you do keep peace you have all been through such hard times”
I’ll admit having experienced some things that nearly made me lose (permanently) my zen. It has not been exactly a bed of roses for some d’Ettes either.
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