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After watching my Governor DeSantis pass a state law that no techs are allowed to ban Floridians from their sites regardless of political affiliations, I was impressed.

It got better…

MSM hounded him about DJT’s twitter commentary and DeSantis simply replied: Twitter has a history of toleration of the Ayatollah Khomeini’s comments but not from POTUS. You tell me- what’s wrong with this?

I’m throwing my hat in the ring first. I love my governor and I have similar respect for SC Senator Tim Scott. I’d like to see this ticket.

I adore the Don but reality tells me his time may be past and I know he’d support my ticket.

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      1. Sorry, JaC, DJT’s policies/principles are available to the body politic now; like Washington, he can retire with honor, advise, lead the party, campaign, etc.

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      2. Or, he can run again, if he so chooses. I trust President Trump’s political judgement far more than anyone else’s. I dont understand why some are so eager to show him the door. He is a truly great leader. Those dont come along very often.

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      3. Having him *run* the party, vet prospective candidates, help draft the platform with an “America First” focus is hardly “showing him the door”, JaC. He’d have more influence for decades this way than 4 more years behind the ‘Resolute’ desk.

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      4. I have infinitely more faith in Donald Trump’s political judgement than in anyone else’s. After what he has accomplished in the political realm, it is not for any of us to inform or advise him of what his role ought to be. Also, he can easily be President for another four years, and then take on the role you describe. He can do both, if he lives long enough and maintains his mind long enough 🙂

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  4. “Trump would only support your ticket if Trump decided not to run.”

    My point! We have to move on if we expect to maintain TTP (Trump True Principles.)

    He’ll know what to do and I believe he is advising DeSantis.

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    1. I am sure that President Trump is helping all good Republicans in any way he can. As far as Trump supposedly advising your governor about a presidential run, that sounds to me like a figment of your wild imagination. We should be begging President Trump to run again, not inviting him into some advisory role.

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      1. I don’t do “figments” mostly because I look at statistics and facts and listen to those around me so I’d appreciate it if you’d spare yourself from insulting my intelligence. I have learned, as the infamous Mick Jagger wrote, “You can’t always get what you want.”

        Again, Plan B.

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      2. I am so sorry, Liz, I wasn’t trying to insult your intelligence. They way you were talking, it sounded as if you knew that Trump has already decided not to run again, and is already advising DeSantis on a presidential run. That sounded kind of wild to me, but you obviously have information that the rest of us don’t. On the other hand, none of us should believe everything we hear. I will not believe that Trump is not running again until I hear it from his mouth. Until and unless he says that he is not running, I am sticking with Plan A.

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    1. I live in Florida and even in the same city as Senator Scott. This senator is a prime example of what we produce around here; he was criticized as governor during his term because he was never in Tallahassee; he was traveling extensively in the Rust Belt and poaching businesses with corporate tax breaks. He’s also a close friend of DJT so admittedly, I’m spoiled by my locals!

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  7. I think it will be DiSantis 2024, and you’re right, Scott would be a great running mate!
    I ❤️ Trump as much as you do, and as much as Judy does. Truly. if he runs again, I’m there.

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    2. After what Donald Trump has gone through and sacrificed, we should all be on our hands and knees begging him to run again. Obviously, if he decides not to, then we will vote for someone else. Obviously, that someone else will be DeSantis. But Donald Trump’s time has not passed, nor should it until he has served a second term.

      Reality is often what we decide it will be.

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  10. And….I have just lost a great deal of respect for Jordan Peterson. He says that in order for peace to occur, conservatives must “sacrifice” Trump, and leftists will have to sacrifice a few things too. I don’t think Dr Peterson ever liked Trump to begin with. Peterson is a decent man, but I don’t think he understands politics very well.

    I will never sacrifice President Trump, any more than I would sacrifice George Washington. Are we living in America or are we living in ancient Rome? What in the world?

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  11. And, the “stolen election narrative” is not a narrative. It is probably the truth, and it is definitely something which needs to be investigated more. It is not something that can be swept under the rug.

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    1. JaC, JBP is Canadian, and looking at this from an interpersonal relations perspective. He has no “dog in the fight”/”skin in the game” wrt our electoral politics, just sayin’.

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      1. I find his statement disappointing because he is always talking about the importance of truth, but in this case, he seems to have no interest whatsoever in finding out what the truth is. Either he has made a statement about something he knows absolutely nothing about, or he seriously believes that in this case, the truth doesn’t matter. I am very inclined to think that he is just a political airhead, and he has no idea what he is talking about, but even so, it’s disappointing.

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      2. We think the world is holding its breath about this; it’s not….We’re concerned for ‘truth, justice, and the American way’, as we’re living through this, grant you. This is just not his hill to die on in the same way. As well, don’t ‘cancel’ all the good he does for you and others just because of his differing socio-political perspectives. We don’t want to go “wokie”. 🙂

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      3. But, as I think about it, you are probably right, Nanda. He is probably looking at this from an interpersonal relations perspective, and I am finding his idea of interpersonal relations extremely disturbing. We have to sacrifice Trump in order to make peace with leftists? We have to sacrifice the best friend we have ever had in order to make peace with our enemy? WTF? With a “friend” who would do that, who needs enemies? If we would do that, then we are our own worst enemy.

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      4. This kind of calculation goes on between nations and parties all the time, JaC. We may not like it, we may strive for something better, but we’ll always fall short. Recall that Machiavelli wrote a guide about such give-and-take in the 16th century called “The Prince”. Besides, JBP’s comments about anything outside his area of expertise have no more weight than ours. Give yourself a break from disturbance, and cut him some slack….

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      5. I will not cut him slack on this point, Nanda, because too much is at stake, nor will I give myself a break from disturbance, because too much is at stake. President Trump displayed undying loyalty to those who supported him, at great personal cost to himself. If we don’t return that loyalty, then we don’t deserve America. Obviously, none of us know him personally, but even so, President Trump is the best friend conservatives ever had. I don’t believe that most conservatives or anyone on this thread would turn on him, but if most conservatives followed Dr Peterson’s advice and sacrificed Trump for some ill advised political objective, it would destroy so much social trust and it would further destroy our social fabric. I don’t see it happening, but if conservatives did that, I would leave the conservative movement forever, because what is the point of associating with people who would do that, on any level?

        I believe that Trump has a better chance of winning in 2024 than anyone else. I also know that he understands politics far better than I do, and he wants what is best for America: I have faith that if he thinks someone other than himself will be more successful, then he will bow out. Having said all of that, if Trump runs again and loses, that isn’t the worst thing that could happen. The worst thing that could happen is what Jordan Peterson, bless his heart, wants to happen: the worst thing that could happen would be for the greatest President since George Washington to be abandoned by his supporters for no reason other than Machiavellian political goals. If we want great leaders, we have to be worthy of them. Sacrificing them is not the way to be worthy of them.

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  12. “I believe that Trump has a better chance of winning in 2024 than anyone else.”

    Why? I say that wishing I could believe but I don’t.

    “Having said all of that, if Trump runs again and loses, that isn’t the worst thing that could happen.”

    But it is; if the Dems recover the WH this country as we know it will cease to exist. 2024 is our last chance at democracy, the free market, capitalism.

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    1. You are right, of course: if the democrats win the White House again, America as we know it will cease to exist. That is true, but if conservatives throw Trump under the bus for no other reason than, they think they understand politics better than he does (LOL, they don’t) and they want to win, then America would also cease to exist. The second scenario would be infinitely more lethal than the first. In order for conservatism to work as a political movement, or as any kind of movement, there has to be trust: people have to believe that if they put their necks on the line, most other conservatives will have their back. This would be especially crucial if we reached the point of a civil war, which we might, but in any event, there has to be trust. President Trump has proven over and over again that we can trust him, and he has done so at great personal cost to himself and his family. If we are not just as loyal to him as he has been to us, then we have no right to complain about politicians who sell us down the river. If we don’t support Trump the first unto death, there will never be a Trump the 2nd. If we support him and reward him for all of his sacrifices, then others may come forward after him to fill his shoes. If we abandon him, it will be the End, for sure. If we abandon him, no one will come forward to take his place.

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    2. And, I believe that President Trump has a better chance at winning in 2024 than anyone else because I believe that he won in 2020. At the least, there ought to be thorough investigations into what went on in the 2020 elections, but leftists totally oppose that, which says to me that they know damn well that they didn’t win. Many people accuse Trump of spreading conspiracy theories when he says that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Every single time anyone has accused Trump of spreading a conspiracy theory, it always turns out in the end that he was right. Trump knows far more about what went on than I do, and contrary to what some say, he is not a careless man given to conspiracy theories. Given his track record of always being proven right in the end, if he says the election was stolen, I believe him. If it wasn’t stolen, then why won’t leftists allow the investigations to proceed, so that Trump can be proven wrong once and for all?

      We ought to be screaming bloody murder about this.

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  13. Jordan Peterson would surely argue that politicians are not friends or family and do not deserve the kind of loyalty we give to friends and family. I disagree. I feel very little or no loyalty to most politicians, because most politicians are obviously bought and paid for, and they will sell America down the river to the highest bidder. I view such politicians as employees that I wish I could fire and will fire at the first opportunity. We owe them absolutely nothing.

    President Trump is different. Back when he was running in 2016, his detractors claimed that he would betray his supporters. He never did, even though there were lots of times when it probably would have gone easier for him if he had. Trump has been 1000% loyal to those who put him where he is. That is extraordinarily rare in politics. When someone like that comes along, they deserve our undying loyalty. If we want more politicians who will keep their promises, then we must remain loyal to those who do, especially when the chips are down. If we want them to stick their necks out for us, we must stick our necks out for them.

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  14. JaC, I don’t need to get into the theological weeds re: the political uses of human venality, nor do I have the energy right now to continue to wrangle over this; another case of different lenses and priorities…No harm, no foul.

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