The ‘conversation’ below occurred when Obama (AKA” Dear Leader) was in office and undermining our Constitution. Please enjoy this time capsule.
Seeking advice. A progressive colleague approached me a couple of years ago to ask about various conservative ideas; and since then, we’ve been having a running e-mail debate. I have tried to explain what and why I believe, but am beginning to think that this is hopeless. My colleague is intelligent, well educated, and well informed. I had hoped to bring him around to our point of view. Now it feels like mission impossible. Lately his responses have turned “a bit” nasty. Please read just one of our many (colorful) exchanges and help me to decide if I am near a breakthrough or is it time to throw in the towel? Frankly, I’ve about had it.
BEGIN COLLEAGUE’S E-MAIL: Good to hear from you brother. I am going to address each of your points. I see that your are framing your argument strictly around what you “think” and “feel” as opposed to what is factual and correct. Allow me to make my attempt at delivering you from the depths and darkness of ignorance.
– The Constitution is a living document. It has been changed before. Good thing for that, because I would still be 3/5ths of a man.
– No one has said they are going to take away your or my guns. Any attempt at solving the problem is looked at with the all-or-nothing approach. The goal is to implement measures to begin trying to fix the problem. According to your logic, we should not have laws against murder, rape and stealing because we cannot stop murder, rape and theft, because the murders, rapists and thieves will always find a way to murder, rape and steal.
– The first time I read and studied the constitution, I couldn’t believe that we had these liberties. How could we have had a land where the Natives were slaughtered, Blacks were born into slavery, the KKK was allowed to freely terrorize, rape, pillage, steal and murder Black folk, and White men were give privileges that still last to this day. The founding fathers and the people of that day didn’t practice what they preached. Nonetheless, there is a blub in there about a well regulated militia. And, contrary to what the gun nuts are touting, that wasn’t put there to fight our own government. If they had, like I did, listened in their history classes, they would remember that after the revolutionary war, the standing army was disbanded, but they did feel that they would have to fight the Mexicans, Canadians, French, etc. one day – to protect this brand new country. My question to you is – since when does an individual constitute a well-regulated militia?
– I will be glad when White Men stop crying about abortion; especially when there are @ 104,236 orphans in the US today. For those same men to preach rule of law, and then complain about abortion is the height of hypocrisy. When you and I are able to have a baby, then we can have this conversation.
– Again, no one has said they are taking your guns. You conservatives have been crying about that every since we got our first Black President. Conservatives don’t have to press their fears on everyone else. They should just accept the fact that they have small penises.
– And your favorite, Thomas Sowell, has and often does, forgets about how the centuries of mis-education have impacted cultures and demographics throughout the US history. When was the last time a kid in middle-school was taught about the real history of how the US was made; Black Laws; internment camps; the Gulf of Tonkin; how the rich exploited the war and the lives lost in them for profit; ect. I am tired of hearing about what the teachers are teaching. Teachers (my wife was one) have a directed curriculum, specific texts, and a regiment schedule. What politics are your grandchildren learning at school as opposed to what they are being taught at home. I’m sure that Timothy McVeigh didn’t learn his political precepts in the public school system. To me, they should teach more government and civics – that may rid us of the rich ignorance and lack of knowledge that a significant amount of the population has about our own government and political system.
– And, for the last comment. If he meant that, he would have made a clause in the constitution stating so and thus, the average citizen would now, be able to buy C4, a sub-machine gun, grenade launchers, and fully-automatic assault rifles, claymore mines? Why does your neighbor not have an M1 tank and an Apache Helicopter? But I do seem to remember him writing “…a well regulated militia.”
This is fun. END OF HIS RESPONSE.
HIS RESPONSE ABOVE WAS TO THIS E-MAIL FROM ME: I suspect that they would say that this shows just how easy it is to lose our rights under a so called “living” Constitution. That Democratic pro-gun lawmakers ignore the 2nd Amendment and get a “twofer” for their efforts: 1. Take guns away from law abiding citizens. 2. Undermine the Constitution in order to kill it and create utopia on its ashes. What’s not to like?
They’d probably say that they’ll take Progressives concern for the children seriously when they quit pouring millions of taxpayer dollars into the Planned Parenthood (PP) abortion mill. Susan B. Anthony List breaks down the numbers from the PP annual report:
– During fiscal year 2011-2012, Planned Parenthood reported receiving a record $542 million in taxpayer funding in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements. Taxpayer funding consists of 45% of Planned Parenthood’s annual revenue.
– In 2011, Planned Parenthood performed a record high 333,964 abortions.
I am not saying that abortion should be illegal; but when then Illinois State Senator Obama voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion, the leader of the Progressive movement’s lack of concern for the weakest and most innocent of children looses credibility.
They might say that what the administration could not accomplish with Fast & Furious, they probably will now try to do with the Newtown massacre. Taking guns from law abiding citizens does not address the root problems or implement programs to actually protect children, but the Administration will not let this tragedy go to waste.
It seems to me that these shootings are an ignored dead canary in the coal mine indicating societal decay. Thomas Sowell believes that this rot is not happening by accident.
ST UnWoked & UnVaxxed! 
Eventually we nearly came to blows. He threatened to kick the shirt out of me and I invited him to try. He was a 30-something black life matters, so approximately 20-25 years younger than me.
Party on Sweet Lorraine!
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Don’t mess with Simon 🙂
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People are starting to push back, in Chicago, for instance, against the deadly lawlessness; no one honestly believes this is ‘free expression” to counter ‘oppression’ anymore, do they? As well, don’t forget the recent successes of “Walk Away”, ST.
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We have become a nation of cowards since ending the draft.
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“Good thing for that, because I would still be 3/5ths of a man.”
This comment is a prime example of how liberals deliberately misinterpret history. In fact, this clause was specifically designed by Northern senators for a positive purpose:
“Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation. The “Three-Fifths Clause” thus increased the political power of slaveholding states.”
Not true! The slaveholding states wanted each non-free person to be counted as a “whole” person to increase the power of Southern senators and protect the institution. The Northern senators tried to block this and settled for “three-fifths.”
I regard this as an attempt to dilute the institution of slavery and NOT as a means of defiling African-Americans.
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Progz are taught to repeat these lies because they are unassailable by most Americans who are are neither self-educated nor tutored.
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Those who are not ‘all in’ can serve the war effort as REMFs or go to Canada.
We have become a tiny group of grunts/ infantrymen at war. Hells bells, most REMFs are not even all-in.
We need a higher percentage of the sons and daughters of the Ruling Class at risk of serving during war time. The current pic is not a good look from my perspective.
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“We need a higher percentage of the sons and daughters of the Ruling Class at risk of serving during war time.”
I know many of these sons and daughters of the Ruling Class and would prefer if they stick to what they know best- making money to support a world class military. There are several ways to support this country, you know.
I understand your point, but I feel far more secure with you behind a M40 rifle than my college boyfriend. 🙂
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“I understand your point, but I feel far more secure with you behind a M40 rifle than my college boyfriend. 🙂”
I disagree with you here, Liz. Simon hasn’t always been the Simon we know. He was once someone’s college boyfriend too. I am sure with the right training, your college boyfriend could have been at least a half ways decent soldier. If he had wanted to be one. It isn’t right for the ruling class to send other peoples’ sons to war, but never their own. Simon is right. It is a horrible look, and it is eating away at America.
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At the end of the day…
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Simon is always right 🙂
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Ok, some people won’t like me for saying this. In general, men who serve or who have served in the military are more attractive than men who haven’t. Obviously, there are always exceptions. But men who think they are something special because they completed four years of college and do well at a desk job are obnoxious, I think. The fact that some of these men also lift weights doesn’t make it better. The fact that some of these men seem to consider themselves superior to the men who serve in the military is totally unbearable. They are effete snobs. Effete snobs have no place in America. They definitely have no place running America.
Donald Trump is a notable exception. Donald Trump never served in the military, but he is the furthest thing from an effete snob that there is. Robin never served in the military either, and Robin was also the furthest thing from an effete snob that there is. Robin worked most of his life at a desk, but he wasn’t a total stranger to manual labor, and like Donald Trump, Robin had tremendous respect for the military and working class men who make the world go around. This may be because both Donald Trump and Robin built businesses from the ground up, on their own, and they have their wits about them. When I look at Robin and Donald Trump, I see grown men. When I look at the Ivy League types in the State Department whom Simon sometimes speaks of, I see little boys trying to play at being men. They have never taken a real risk in their lives. Everything has been handed to them on a golden platter, and it shows. They are not risk takers. They are ticket punchers. They don’t mind putting other people in danger, as long as they always stay safe. It’s repulsive
If there was a way to bottle Robin up and sell him, I would. If there was a way to bottle Donald Trump up and sell him, I would. There are definitely ways for men to become well grounded men without serving in the military, but for most men, the best way to become well grounded is by serving in the military. For anyone to think that their degree from Harvard is more worthy of admiration than four years in the Armed Services is ridiculous. How did we get to this place?
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When Robin ran his businesses in Scotland, he experimented at first with hiring all kinds of different people, but over time and with experience, he decided to always give first dibs on any job to military veterans, and he totally refused to hire college graduates at all. Robin said that the veterans were focused and got the job done, whereas the college graduates walked around with clip boards doing nothing, and acting as though they knew better than everyone else. Robin was 28 when he started his first business. He wasn’t that much older than recent college graduates, but he was old enough that he wasn’t going to deal with that kind of nonsense from a 23 year old kid, or from anyone. He had a business to run. He wasn’t going to deal with some know it all spoiled brat, and he didn’t deal with them.
I read somewhere recently that many prestigious companies are looking for people who have a background in either the military or sports. The reason being, both the military and sports teach people how to compete and deal with losing or coming behind someone else. Apparently, the kids coming out of colleges nowadays have trouble with that kind of stuff. Apparently, employers have to spend a lot of time coddling these kids through their emotional traumas, and the employers are getting sick of it.
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“I disagree with you here, Liz. Simon hasn’t always been the Simon we know.”
Sure he has Jac; he may have attended college, but if you listen to tales of his childhood, he has always been a somewhat fearless scrapper!
And I bet he never got his nails buffed as many of my male friends in college and NYC did. 🙂
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