If so, why is the mohammedan practice of taqiyya not considered to be satanic?
Why is it not possible to treat one another as unique individuals deserving to be treated with both respect and honesty?
Chaps Corner Request: Do lies corrupt planet Earth?
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ST UnWoked & UnVaxxed! 
Didn’t St Paul say the blesséd must be “wise as serpents but innocent as doves”” I don’t know whether that men’s it ok to deceive the ungodly, though. In the Old Testament it was okay, apparently, like when Abraham told the rulers of hostile tribes that Sarah was his sister, so they wouldn’t kill him to take her.
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Darling Hypatia 🙂 It wasn’t ok when Abraham did that!!! According to the way I have heard it preached about, that passage shows what a jerk Abraham could be, and God was good to him even though he was a jerk. But it definitely wasn’t ok for him to do that.
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thanks, I didn’t know that…he did it to save his own life after all.
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Right you are, re: Abraham and Sarah, JaC! Let’s not forget Jacob’s dealings with Esau, while we’re at it….
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tru dat, Nanda—yet God chose and abided with Jacob the trickster! He fooled Isaac into giving him the firstborn blessing. He worked a magick so that he got most of Laban’s herd. He and Rachael stole Laban’s household gods . He knew about his sons’ trickery to avenge Dinah. And then, there’s the Ford of Jabbuk—but I’ve written about that before…
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He did it to save his own life, but he was putting Sarah in danger. He actually did it twice and got caught at least once. The king found out what he did, and was like, WTF?!?
So, he was putting his own well-being far above the well-being of his wife. Not good. God did not approve.
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Hyp, this is a quote from Jesus himself in Matthew’s Gospel (Mt. 10:16). Definitely necessary but not okay on Abraham’s part. The lie would have to have been confessed and repented of before the LORD. Israel got itself into repeated scrapes because they were seduced by the cultures that surrounded them.
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oh, thanks. I tend to get my scriptural quotations jumbled a bit. Didnt realize Jesus had said that—but really He was very canny about the way o’ the world.
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I read somewhere that Sarah was his half sister? If true, would he have been lying by omission or telling the truth?
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Both and, I think, ST. Definitely headed toward the dark side.
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Attempting to distort reality by one’s words in self-defense and simultaneously in defense of one’s wife surely can not be compared to lying to everyone who is not a member of your satanic cult about what submission means to the supremacist jihadist amongst your local mohammedans who were not there prior to 9/11.
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As far as I know, nothing in the Bible is similar to the idea in Islam that it’s ok to lie to unbelievers.
Abraham lied to protect himself, but in so doing, he was endangering his wife. That whole situation was him throwing his wife under the bus, pretty much.
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Maybe he thought he was protecting her from becoming a concubine?
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I heard Mark Driscoll preach on this passage. He seems to think that Abraham should have told the truth and let the chips fall.
My understanding based on what Mark Driscoll said is that if he had been honest about Sarah being his wife, she might have become a concumbine, but by saying that she was his sister, Abraham was significantly increasing the chances that she would become a concubine.
The king was about to sleep with Sarah, but an angel came to him in a dream and told him that he should not do that because she was Abraham’s wife, not his sister. It seems that the whole “She is my sister” story put her in more danger.
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It is a perplexing story but any thoughts to my other question about whether or not lying has an immediate and corresponding level of corrupting malevolence on spaceship Earth?
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Of course, lying corrupts everything. That is especially true when a “religion” condones it!
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I wish people would spend about one year meditating on both of your sentences Judy.
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Islam is diametrically opposed to freedom. None of us are perfect, but in the West, we believe that the Truth will set us free, and we try to live by that.
Neither truth nor freedom play a role in Islam. Don’t even get me started on Shariah law.
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ST, Judeo-Christianity definitely doesn’t suggest/condone such tactics, but believers have been known to conveniently “forget” the truth toward brothers and sisters on a fairly frequent basis, just sayin’.
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Does anyone remember what happened to me when I tried to tell the Ricochetti about Obama and Hillary flying Somalis into Minneapolis in the dead of night?
We are invincibly as in willfully ignorant.
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ST, I definitely recall that whole, shameful debacle – though not as painfully as I used to. Invincibly, as in can’t change it no matter how hard you try.
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P.S. Perhaps the DeepState has so erased my history by now that they can allow me back onto our blog?
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Dream on…..😒
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I know I’m late to the party – mea maxima culpa – but here are my thoughts on this question: First, in Matthew 5:37, Jesus says: “Let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no’. Anything else is from the Evil One.” St. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:18-19 says: “For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, whom we proclaimed among you, Silvanus and Timothy and I, was not “Yes and No”; but in him it is always “Yes.” (NRSV-CE). The People of the Bomb feel that they can tell ‘righteous lies’ because they’ve neither seen Isa nor known Him. (I still say it’s founded on Christian heresy, actually.)
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About the half-sister relation ship between Abraham and Sarah: yes, I’ve read that too. What also seems funny is that Abe was saying, like, “Take my sister, PLEASE!” Apparently it didn’t seem strange that he didn’t mind if the other guy shtupped his sister! Wow—look at the revenge his great grandsons, Jacob’s sons, took when that ruler raped their sister, Dinah!
of course, that’s a bride-raid story—but the Rape of the Sabine Women is mild by comparison!
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