I was viciously libeled then banned for life from another blog for pointing out that prostitution is legal in both Europe and the United States. Well that is to say in a small section of Nevada as far as in the US of A. In Europe it is legal in Germany for one.
In Thailand there is a form of prostitution that seems to benefit all concerned. It is usually a 30-something Thai single mother who shares a living arrangement with a retired man who is typically but not always a product of The Great Patriarchy.
He pays her a monthly salary and pays 100% of her expenses. If her children do not live with them, he will generally pay her travel expenses so that she can visit them several times each month.
I am thinking that prostitution should be legalized. Pimping and ‘madaming’ should, on the other hand, both be illegal and the penalties should be severe – especially when children and/ or trafficking is involved.
Interested in the thought-process that more-widely legalizes the first of these; and whole-heartedly agree with the second…Where would pornography [digital and otherwise] fit in? How is addiction dealt with? Not dismissing out of hand, truly wondering…
Yes, please, what leads you to the legalization choice? I’ve not seen the question dealt with cogently – if at all – by someone in a more conservative frame of mind, let alone one whose thoughts I value as much as yours.
Maybe we can handle porn on another thread. I think it deserves its very own place in Hell.
I suspect addiction is better handled (so to speak) when it is readily available and affordable – even for the high school losers. Yes looking at you guys on RB. How’s it hangen’ dudes. Miss me yet?
Which came first: Maybe “Creator/mother/father”? Members of the second-oldest have to come from somewhere…Biblically, maybe, prostitutes are first (Rahab), followed by Joshua and Caleb, who reconnoitered the Promised Land (spies)? (Acting is up there on the list, too…Esau masquerading as Jacob.) Anyway, there’s a start…(Don’t the Netherlands recognize/regulate sex workers, too?)
Ronaldus Maximus is purported to have quipped: “Someone once said that politics is the second-oldest profession. I’m beginning to think it bears resemblance to the first.”
Feminists are against legalizing prostitution because they already cannot compete.
They also couldn’t care less about lower class women, especially the oppressed, down trodden, and impoverished single moms in 3d world countries.
…and you just gotta love the folks from the west who come to southeast Asia on a 2 week vacation and become experts on the culture and economy here. They really very much look down on the working ladies in massage parlors where one cannot purchase a massage.
I am a member of the Santiburi Country Club, Chiang Rai. It is designed by a famous American, Robert Trent Jones II, and is rank the 10th best golf course in Thailand. Even there some of the caddies offer themselves up as a post round treat. I suppose if they don’t like their player then they do not do that.
I suspect those of us in the West just have to be utterly amazed and appalled by such sinful goings on.
Got it, ST…If a need exists, better to fulfill it in a way that – hopefully – both serves and protects all involved. Also, takes it off the street and out of the shadows where exploitation and danger hide, yes? And, if something is legal, when you decide you don’t want to be part of it anymore, no big deal to stop. I get it, I think…Thank you for clarifying this for me. (I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to separate biology from commitment/covenant, but that’s on me.). Mr. Seger does cut to the chase, for sure. -smile-
Double-got-it, hermano…No doubt. But, a lot of the objections from the ‘conservative’ side of things involve even the *thought* of decoupling one from the other…
Trying and failing to nest properly. The conservatives should not think so much about thought control. They should also visit Realzville, BFE sometime.
Got it, hinging on the level of personal investment/involvement that goes into the decision/choice to engage in the activity; and the inclusion of another person’s decisions in the process; truly levels away in complexity.
I meant in my mind/ thoughts. FYI: It should not be a physical place. We may be having bad comms. I was asking you to take me somewhere into my mind – as in to try to ‘bend’ it.
Not easy but doable. I think I can help in the transition but perhaps for a nominal fee. The last time I hosted a Western female for free she told me that I was a terrible host. I would hate for you to have a similar impression.
I have one more option here that I should try first…A new home health agency is opening in the area. A local branch of a national franchise, from what I’ve gathered so far; I’ll know more tomorrow morning, when my sister comes in…(Btw, you could count on me *not* to be ungracious, should the situation arise.)
Staying put has got to be the best option but damned if the Ruling Class does not make it hard for the Country Class to get good help an affordable cost.
Well, it sort of depends on whether you want to *think* about something in a new way; or to rest from something, or to stop thinking entirely…I must not be clear on what “stretching” is for you…Maybe I’m thinking too tightly, myself….Patience, amigo, I’ll get there….
I’ll admit to it, more than once – not there right now, myself….Is it Job’s anger, puzzlement, or are you ready to do battle? (I always get teed off at his three friends: they’re okay during that week that they don’t approach him, for sheer grief – great work, dudes! When they start lipping off to him – especially that twerp, Eliphaz – I wanna deck them all.
According to this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_prostitution#United_States, St Augustine was in favor of keeping prostitution legal; many leaders of the Catholic Church way back when supported legal prostitution because they viewed it as less bad than rape, sodomy, and masturbation. Some might think that to say that visiting a prostitute is less bad than masturbating is a ridiculous assertion, but is it? If I had to choose between living in a society where lots of men visit prostitutes or living in a society where lots of men constantly watch porn and masturbate (sound familiar?) I would go with the prostitutes every time. For lots of reasons, for all reasons, for every reason.
The early Church fathers severely discouraged masturbation and viewed prostitution as a necessary evil; we now live in a society which strongly discourages prostitution and views masturbation as no problem, and as long as it doesn’t happen all that often, it isn’t a problem, but especially since the Internet came along, we all live with the image in our minds of these guys in their parent’s basements who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at porn and masturbating. If it’s just one guy doing it once in a while, that is one thing, but as it stands right now, we have a problem. The early Church fathers had it right, and we have it wrong.
I was viciously libeled then banned for life from another blog for pointing out that prostitution is legal in both Europe and the United States. Well that is to say in a small section of Nevada as far as in the US of A. In Europe it is legal in Germany for one.
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There may have been other reasons but that and threatening to run a prostitution ring via that site did not win me many allies.
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That whole scene didn’t have any ‘upside’ – except that it jump-started this: No doubt!
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In Thailand there is a form of prostitution that seems to benefit all concerned. It is usually a 30-something Thai single mother who shares a living arrangement with a retired man who is typically but not always a product of The Great Patriarchy.
He pays her a monthly salary and pays 100% of her expenses. If her children do not live with them, he will generally pay her travel expenses so that she can visit them several times each month.
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I am thinking that prostitution should be legalized. Pimping and ‘madaming’ should, on the other hand, both be illegal and the penalties should be severe – especially when children and/ or trafficking is involved.
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Interested in the thought-process that more-widely legalizes the first of these; and whole-heartedly agree with the second…Where would pornography [digital and otherwise] fit in? How is addiction dealt with? Not dismissing out of hand, truly wondering…
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Can you sorta ‘rifle down’ the “interested in the thought process…?” Is there a question there?
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Yes, please, what leads you to the legalization choice? I’ve not seen the question dealt with cogently – if at all – by someone in a more conservative frame of mind, let alone one whose thoughts I value as much as yours.
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Maybe we can handle porn on another thread. I think it deserves its very own place in Hell.
I suspect addiction is better handled (so to speak) when it is readily available and affordable – even for the high school losers. Yes looking at you guys on RB. How’s it hangen’ dudes. Miss me yet?
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That’s the last place I would have expected to take umbrage at *anything* – seriously.
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But, oh yeah: Isn’t that now the “Sock drawer”? As Gilda Radner’s “Emily Litella” used to say: “Never mind…”.
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Which came first: Maybe “Creator/mother/father”? Members of the second-oldest have to come from somewhere…Biblically, maybe, prostitutes are first (Rahab), followed by Joshua and Caleb, who reconnoitered the Promised Land (spies)? (Acting is up there on the list, too…Esau masquerading as Jacob.) Anyway, there’s a start…(Don’t the Netherlands recognize/regulate sex workers, too?)
Ronaldus Maximus is purported to have quipped: “Someone once said that politics is the second-oldest profession. I’m beginning to think it bears resemblance to the first.”
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One of my buddies says that advertising (Ad-Men) for prostitution is the oldest. Makes sense – no?
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Sure does…
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I think he was only joking around but still, seems he may have been onto something.
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Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band: The Fire Down Below
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Feminists are against legalizing prostitution because they already cannot compete.
They also couldn’t care less about lower class women, especially the oppressed, down trodden, and impoverished single moms in 3d world countries.
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…and you just gotta love the folks from the west who come to southeast Asia on a 2 week vacation and become experts on the culture and economy here. They really very much look down on the working ladies in massage parlors where one cannot purchase a massage.
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Because, as they say, what a woman does with her body is her business.
A human baby in her womb is not her body fyi.
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Did you take umbrage? If so – over/ about what?
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Never, ever: except toward the Sock when he acted like a flipping eejit.
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I am a member of the Santiburi Country Club, Chiang Rai. It is designed by a famous American, Robert Trent Jones II, and is rank the 10th best golf course in Thailand. Even there some of the caddies offer themselves up as a post round treat. I suppose if they don’t like their player then they do not do that.
I suspect those of us in the West just have to be utterly amazed and appalled by such sinful goings on.
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Got it, ST…If a need exists, better to fulfill it in a way that – hopefully – both serves and protects all involved. Also, takes it off the street and out of the shadows where exploitation and danger hide, yes? And, if something is legal, when you decide you don’t want to be part of it anymore, no big deal to stop. I get it, I think…Thank you for clarifying this for me. (I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to separate biology from commitment/covenant, but that’s on me.). Mr. Seger does cut to the chase, for sure. -smile-
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For those who prefer the commitment/ covenant approach to ‘romance,’ I do not recommend prostitution neither as payor nor payee.
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Double-got-it, hermano…No doubt. But, a lot of the objections from the ‘conservative’ side of things involve even the *thought* of decoupling one from the other…
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Trying and failing to nest properly. The conservatives should not think so much about thought control. They should also visit Realzville, BFE sometime.
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I think ‘fire down below’ refers to lust, but who knows?
Making it legal also should, at least theoretically, provide better screening for STDs.
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I didn’t think of that until you mentioned it: Well-played!
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If!?!
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FYI: Being a sexpat in Thailand means that only locals and tourists use these services.
Memo for the Record: If one must fall in love, do it with a masseuse.
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Get your mind out of the effing gutter Chaps!
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I’m just keeping you company, hermano….I go where I’m needed…
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How about taking me somewhere sometime?
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“Anywhere, anytime…”.
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How about right now?
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Well, considering I’m half the world away, the logistics could be tricky.
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Guidance duly noted…
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Could you see legalization happening more widely here anytime soon? Or are the Puritans (both old-school and new-rules) looming over the whole idea?
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You tell me. What is the political upside for our Ruling Class?
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Let’s see how legalization of marijuana does, as a test case, as fundraising for local/state, maybe even federal government, first?
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K krap but I’m thinking these are not the same.
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How do they differ – aside from the obvious way(s)? Btw, what did you call me, above? I’ve seen ‘Kuhn’ before, but not ‘krap’…Enlighten me, please?
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I did not call you anything. Krap has no English equivalent it is added at the end of a sentence in Thai to show respect/ be polite.
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Ah, I knew that it could be appended to a statement…I also knew it wasn’t an epithet: Even though there’s no equivalent, is it sort of close to ma’am?
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One is something that is usually smoked the other is not.
One is renting someones time and body. The other is not.
I can do this all day.
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Got it, hinging on the level of personal investment/involvement that goes into the decision/choice to engage in the activity; and the inclusion of another person’s decisions in the process; truly levels away in complexity.
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To answer my question, there is absolutely no upside for the Ruling Class – so no.
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I meant in my mind/ thoughts. FYI: It should not be a physical place. We may be having bad comms. I was asking you to take me somewhere into my mind – as in to try to ‘bend’ it.
How copy – over?
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Solid copy, hermano; say where? Out front here?…
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Where where? Bad comms continue dude.
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Here on the thread?
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DeNanda, speaking of which, I think you should seriously consider a move to the Philippines if your petition for a H1B visa for a CNA is denied.
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Seriously considering that option, since the process doesn’t seem to have a smooth glide-path, as we’ve noted.
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Not easy but doable. I think I can help in the transition but perhaps for a nominal fee. The last time I hosted a Western female for free she told me that I was a terrible host. I would hate for you to have a similar impression.
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I have one more option here that I should try first…A new home health agency is opening in the area. A local branch of a national franchise, from what I’ve gathered so far; I’ll know more tomorrow morning, when my sister comes in…(Btw, you could count on me *not* to be ungracious, should the situation arise.)
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Yes ma’am krap
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Sure, on this thread is fine unless you think it may deserve its own. As they say here – up 2 U.
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Staying put has got to be the best option but damned if the Ruling Class does not make it hard for the Country Class to get good help an affordable cost.
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Well, where do you wanna go/be, amigo mio…That’s up 2 U, also…
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Try to stretch my mind without me having to tell you how to do so please – or not. We don’t have to go anywhere.
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Well, it sort of depends on whether you want to *think* about something in a new way; or to rest from something, or to stop thinking entirely…I must not be clear on what “stretching” is for you…Maybe I’m thinking too tightly, myself….Patience, amigo, I’ll get there….
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I await your guidance; I am truly in non-directive mode…
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Then we should probably pass on this for now.
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See my latest, ST, please….
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like freaking Job
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You? Or me?…
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You or me what?
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…Feeling like Job…
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I’ll admit to it, more than once – not there right now, myself….Is it Job’s anger, puzzlement, or are you ready to do battle? (I always get teed off at his three friends: they’re okay during that week that they don’t approach him, for sheer grief – great work, dudes! When they start lipping off to him – especially that twerp, Eliphaz – I wanna deck them all.
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Sorry, is that question directed to me?
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Yes, and to myself… (Smile)
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An attempt at improving comms is in the mail, amigo mio…Buenos/Buenas, Hasta entonces y Chao for now. !La paz sea contigo!
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According to this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_prostitution#United_States, St Augustine was in favor of keeping prostitution legal; many leaders of the Catholic Church way back when supported legal prostitution because they viewed it as less bad than rape, sodomy, and masturbation. Some might think that to say that visiting a prostitute is less bad than masturbating is a ridiculous assertion, but is it? If I had to choose between living in a society where lots of men visit prostitutes or living in a society where lots of men constantly watch porn and masturbate (sound familiar?) I would go with the prostitutes every time. For lots of reasons, for all reasons, for every reason.
The early Church fathers severely discouraged masturbation and viewed prostitution as a necessary evil; we now live in a society which strongly discourages prostitution and views masturbation as no problem, and as long as it doesn’t happen all that often, it isn’t a problem, but especially since the Internet came along, we all live with the image in our minds of these guys in their parent’s basements who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at porn and masturbating. If it’s just one guy doing it once in a while, that is one thing, but as it stands right now, we have a problem. The early Church fathers had it right, and we have it wrong.
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