When I was a child, I knew a mother who died to save the life of her unborn baby. I didn’t know her well. It would be more accurate to say that I knew of her. I saw her with her family in Church often, and one of my friends babysat for her-this was back in the day when it was considered acceptable for 12 and 13 year olds to babysit, lol. While pregnant with her 4th or 5th child-I can’t remember-she was diagnosed with cancer. She did not have an abortion, and she also decided to forego chemotherapy. She gave birth to a healthy baby, and died soon afterward. My parents made it crystal clear to me that what this woman did for her child was heroic, that they had only respect and admiration for her, and that if I should ever find myself in a similar situation, they fully expected me to do what she did.
My parents also spoke to me about rape and abortion, and it was made clear to me that in the very unfortunate event that I was ever raped and became pregnant, they fully expected me to have the baby. The best argument for this I have ever heard was made by Alan Keyes. He was on television one day in some forum, and someone asked him about rape and abortion. He pointed out that we as a society have a draft, and we expect young men to comply with the draft and possibly get killed in war. Expecting a young woman to give birth to a child who was conceived by rape is incredibly harsh, but is it more harsh than sending men to war? Actually, nowadays, the correct question to ask is, is it more harsh than sending that same young woman to war? Because those who support abortion out of, they say, kindness to women, have no problem whatsoever with drafting women against their will, even while knowing that being in a war zone significantly increases the possibility that women will be raped. Any woman who objects to this will be told by the powers that be to shut up, stop whining, and stop being such a selfish bitch. Shut up, stop whining, and stop being such a selfish bitch, say the people who accuse pro-lifers of being mean to women.
I saw something on television a few years back that I found very disturbing. It was after some lunatic shot up a crowd somewhere-I think it was Las Vegas, but I don’t remember. Some young buck in his early twenties who had been in the crowd was speaking to a reporter. This guy was big and from all appearances, totally able bodied-in his early twenties, totally in his prime, and of sound mind as well. He was bragging about the fact that his older sister shielded him from the bullets with her own body. He said that he really appreciated the way his sister protected him. When the shooting started, she threw her body over him, and he just passively lay there, and allowed her to protect him.
I have a younger brother. I felt that it was my duty to protect him when we were kids, although he never really needed any protection, and he would probably tell you that I was the one he really needed to be protected from. Be that as it may, I know what it is to feel protective of a younger, smaller brother, but whatever duty I felt to protect my brother vanished the minute he was one inch bigger than me. The minute he grew one inch bigger than me, it was my perspective that it was no longer my job to protect him, and it was now his job to protect me. I have never spoken to my brother about this, but I am pretty sure that he would agree with me about that. I am 99 2/3 %, no, scratch that, I am 1000% certain that my brother would never in a million years allow me or any woman to take a bullet for him. He would never just lay there passively and allow a woman to shield him with her body. I am astounded that a grown, able bodied man would do that, and even more astounded that he would go on national television afterward and brag about it.
How did we get to a point in our society where a woman who dies for her child is a crazed fanatic who has been brainwashed and victimized by an evil religion, but a woman who dies to save the life of a fully grown, able bodied man is a hero, and the embodiment of everything feminism stands for? Why is it ok for women to die for men, but not ok for women to die for children? Why is it to wrong for men to order women not to have abortions, but totally fine for men to order women to the front lines? Can anyone explain this? Because I don’t get it.
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“My parents also spoke to me about rape and abortion, and it was made clear to me that in the very unfortunate event that I was ever raped and became pregnant, they fully expected me to have the baby. The best argument for this I have ever heard was made by Alan Keyes. He was on television one day in some forum, and someone asked him about rape and abortion. He pointed out that we as a society have a draft, and we expect young men to comply with the draft and possibly get killed in war. Expecting a young woman to give birth to a child who was conceived by rape is incredibly harsh, but is it more harsh than sending men to war?”
Yikes, Judy, I was trying to relax this evening but your posts insist on making me think so this is what I have to say:
1. A teenage pregnancy can ruin not only the lives of the parents but the grandparents as well who usually end up raising the child.
2. Teen moms never end up finishing high school yet alone attending college. They never marry the father. And worst of all, the dreadful cycle of illegitimacy continues for several generations.
I’m a big promoter of adoption because so many couples I’ve known have to spend tens of thousands of dollars to adopt overseas. (That- btw- is one of the biggest scams on the planet and infuriates me.)
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Giving a child up for adoption is a selfless and incredibly beautiful thing to do. I have several cousins who were adopted. If I could, I would thank their birth mothers, with tears streaming down my face, for giving my cousins life, and for giving them to our family.
One thing preventing adoption, nowadays, is the fact that the father can stop it if he wants to. Men have no say when it comes to abortion, but they have veto power over an adoption. There was a case several years ago where a couple adopted a newborn infant, and a couple of years later, the biological father objected and was granted custody. This state of affairs discourages adoption, and encourages both abortion and single motherhood.
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I heard this from my landscaper who adopted a son and one year later the biological father was legally allowed to file suit for custody. He settled down for a $25K reparation.
We have to change these laws and when you make the decision to give up your child for adoption, that’s it. To jerk around adoptive parents and more importantly the child, is a sin.
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I think the mother, and ONLY the mother, should get to decide whether she or the child gets to live, in the situation you describe where the mother gave up cancer treatments during pregnancy. but, if she opts topreserve her own life, I wouldn’t condemn her for it.
The Mammalian model would suggest that if the mother is otherwise healthy and there is a dire threat to her and her babies, born or unborn, the mother will spontaneously abort the foetus as deer and horses do when food is scarce, or, if she already has a litter, she’ll kill and eat the babies herself, thus taking their protein back into her own body so she can live to breed again. Evolution-wise, in terms of survival,of the species, this makes perfect sense, since we mammals have a long period of infant dependEncy and, if mom is killed before it’s over, the offspring won’t survive either. So the only chance for mom the adult organism to get her genes into the next generation is to live on to breed again.
And Liz OMG you re so right about adoption. What used to make that entire system work was SHAME. Now, if you adopt< you’re gonna have the birth mother (and as you relate, maybe even the birth dad) popping up in your face every few months. No. Effing. WAY……
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“And Liz OMG you re so right about adoption. What used to make that entire system work was SHAME. Now, if you adopt< you’re gonna have the birth mother (and as you relate, maybe even the birth dad) popping up in your face every few months. No. Effing. WAY…… "
What an industry this has become. ):
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I’d betcha anything that often, the birth mother ends up being a.sort of de facto stepdaughter to the baby’s adoptive parents, showing up every time she runs outta money. Which is pretty much every month.
Once parental rights have been legally terminated, that SHOULD be the end of it, but the law doesn’t account for feelings, for the birth parents ability to guilt the adoptive parents, for the adoptive parents’.feeling that maybe they owe sump’n to the woman who engendered their long awaited baby.
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“I think the mother, and ONLY the mother, should get to decide whether she or the child gets to live, in the situation you describe where the mother gave up cancer treatments during pregnancy. but, if she opts topreserve her own life, I wouldn’t condemn her for it.”
I agree with this, especially because these cases are often not clear. If it was a clear case of if I die, the baby can live, then I would die and let the baby live, but it is often not that simple. For example, ectopic pregnancies. Once in a blue moon, both the baby and the mother can survive an ectopic pregnancy. Most of the time, it’s fatal for both if left untreated, but once in a blue moon, they both make it. There are a few Christians out there who believe that ectopic pregnancies should not be removed, because of the one in a million chance that everything will be ok. If I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy, I would have it removed, and the vast majority of pro-lifers agree with that. Medicine is all about probabilities and odds, and pros and cons that have to be measured. In the rare cases where the mother’s life is in danger, the baby’s life is often in danger too, and it often isn’t a case of let one go and save the other: sometimes, if an abortion isn’t performed, the liklihood is that both will be lost. These cases should definitely be between a woman, her God and her doctor.
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