God exists and most American men are good. That is why I believe that America and American women would be better off if we gave up the right to vote and left the business of voting and making political decisions to men. This is very specific to America. I am not suggesting that women the world over should give up the vote. There are lots of countries where men in general are nowhere near as good as American men are in general. In those countries, women should maintain their voting rights unless by some miracle the men in those countries improve.
Way back when the idea of letting women vote was being debated, some women were against it. They believed that giving women the vote would inevitably lead to women being expected to fight in wars. They were correct. One of the problems with giving women equal rights is that leads to an end for all female privileges. It causes men to feel no responsibility for women whatsoever. Even the most racist slaveholders in the Confederate South did not put Black women on the battlefield, but feminists want to do exactly that, and most conservatives turn a blind eye. When women have equal rights, men become significantly less protective of them. When men become significantly less protective of women, it causes personal problems between men and women and different groups in society. This is one of the reasons why there is so much marital breakdown in American society. If men were more protective of women, there would be more marriage and less divorce, because women in general would be happier. If women stopped voting, there would be more marriage and less divorce, because men in general would be happier.
Men want to be in charge. Some men will deny it, but it’s true: men want to be in charge, and women should graciously step back and allow men to be in charge. It is wrong to demand equal rights and also continue to expect all of the privileges that were bestowed upon women before equal rights. Something has to give. Most American men are good, but young men today in general seem to be less protective of women than men of my father’s generation and my generation. American men are good, but are they as good as they used to be? I fear that they are not, and I fear that things will only get worse if women continue to demand total equality.
Feminists told us that we could have it all. That isn’t true. No one can have it all. There are pros and cons to everything. Everything is a trade off, and if you choose one thing you are giving up something else. Feminists told us that we could have political power without having to give up anything. That isn’t true. It may be that the price we have to pay for women voting is a very dysfunctional culture that keeps getting worse all the time. It isn’t worth it.
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I get why you think a lot of American women are so dumb. I just don’t get why you think American men are so smart. BidenBlinkenSandersWarnockManchinRomneySchumer…need I go on?
I think— no, this is no place for false modesty—I KNOW—thst I am smarter than many men of my acquaintance. (And conversely, not as smart as some women I know.) .
Why on God’s increasingly green earth should I, and those smarter-than-me women, NOT be allowed to vote?
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Good morning, Hypatia 🙂 I do not believe that men are smarter than women in general: I really, seriously do not believe that. It’s a lot more complicated than that, and I am not doing a good job of explaining it. Maybe I am not smart enough to explain it, lol 🙂
The bottom line is, I don’t want to fight in wars. I wouldn’t want my daughter or any younger woman to be in a position where she was expected to join men in battle, and I wouldn’t want my son to expect that from women. The same feminists who want totally equal rights also tell us that women ought to be fighting wars. If that is the price of being totally equal, then I don’t want to pay it. I would rather let men make the decisions, for a lot of other reasons too, but not because they are smarter. In general, men are not smarter than women, and in general, women are not smarter than men. We are just different 🙂
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Okay, and I agree: The military should all be men AND they should all be gay. That worked for those Greeks. (Hee Hee just funnin’ but really, I’m sure romance helps build esprit de corps.)
But, um, Americans vote on lotsa other issues, at the state and federal levels, in which I think women should have a say because WE are on the “front lines” of those issues. Like child care, f’rinstance. Now, since I know you don’t buy it that men can get pregnant, then why should men be allowed to vote when the issue is birth control or abortion?
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Oh, Hypatia 🙂 Romance does not help esprit de corps at all. Men who are fighting or training to fight together develop very close bonds with each other, and when women are introduced, it disrupts things. What happens when two men both fall in love with the same woman, which will happen, you can be sure of it. Instead of working together, as a team, the men will compete for the woman: It’s the natural way of things, and people can’t help it, but it doesn’t work in a military environment. And that is not even getting into the fact that women are just not physically strong enough to be helpful in combat.
As for birth control and abortion, I am, as you know, totally against abortion, but how about this: if women stop voting on issues related to war, then men can stop voting on abortion. That might work.
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No you misunderstood my “romance” remark. I meant GAY romance, that’s why the military should be all male AND all gay..
Okay so we should all only get to vote on issues which will involve each individual’s direct participation?
The key word there is “direct”. Remember those Rosie the Riveter posters? The entire population will be affected by war, whether they’re fighting, filling jobs of those at the front, nursing the wounded, etc.
I have a much harder time seeing how the male population is affected by birth control and pregnancy. Issues. I mean, of course demographically the entire population is affected. But as I think I’ve written here before, I have tried on various fora to elicit answers as to how men personally feel about their own sperm. Are men bothered by the fact that is is the woman, in her sole discretion, who gets to decide whether a baby they fathered will die in utero, or live to saddle him with an 18 year support obligation,? Here’s the funny thing: as far as I can tell—they aren’t very bothered, mos’ly.
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“No you misunderstood my “romance” remark. I meant GAY romance”
LOL 🙂
I am also astounded by the apathy that so many men display on issues of children and pretty much everything else. This apathy probably has many causes, but one of them is feminism. Men are being told that they are toxic, that they are evil, that their opinions are not welcome, that they are not even needed at all, so after a while, some of them just kind of mentally check out.
Men are in charge, and they always will be. Sometimes, the men in charge are good, sometimes they are evil, but either way, over throwing the patriarchy isn’t a real option. All we can do is try to ensure that the men running things will be good. I don’t think that feminism is achieving that.
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I am really not so sure feminism is to blame for men’s strange apathy on these topics. Have you ever tried to pin men down as to how they feel about conception—personally, I mean, not as a religious matter? I have. After a long wrangle with a super-religious guy elsewhere, he responded with “I love my sons and I was very involved with raising them”. I wrote back “I didn’t ask you about your sons; I asked you about your sperm.”
Crickets.
I think this may be one of those fundamental and all-important “differences”.
Have our resident gents got anything to say?
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JaC, *which* men are more qualified to vote than “soccer moms”? How would you choose? And how would we roll back the franchise to pre-1920, procedurally? Adding/repealing Constitutional amendments is a purposely-complicated business.
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Hi Nanda 🙂 All men are more qualified to vote than all women, not because all men are smarter than all women. Men are not smarter than women, and women are not smarter than men, but men do all of the fighting in wars, and even those who don’t join the mititary are suject to the draft. Unless we want to start drafting women, women should not be voting, and I vehemently do not want to start drafting women.
I pay far more attention to politics than most people do. I always just voted the way my Dad wanted me to, because I respected his opinion, and then when I got married, I started voting the way Robin wanted me to, because I respected his opinion too. It seems to me that if your father or your husand is taking care of you and paying most of the bills, you should probably honor him by voting the way he would like you to. I suspect that is how a lot of women do it, and in those cases, women voting is just redundant. Obviously, there are women who are not being well taken care of by men, and those women usually vote liberal. I understand why they do it, but there are cultural issues which need to be addressed. Abandoning women on a cultural level and then giving them the vote is a disaster, unless keeping democrats in power is your main goal.
As for the techinicalities, I don’t know. We are obviously a very long way off from women not voting, if it ever happens, but I think we should think about these things very seriously. That’s all 🙂
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Thinking of men of today: Often beta/metrosexual males, who’ve been largely feminized, who don’t fight – except as keyboard warriors – and think/vote like soccer moms in any case. Thus, you’ve still got the over-arching problem, even if every constitutional-republic-loving woman fell on her metaphorical sword for the good of the country. How would we keep this batch of she-males from exercising the franchise, so we’re not dealing with the same song, different day problem? Not to mention that we don’t draft anyone anymore. Good on you for starting the conversation!
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Thanks, Nanda 🙂 I don’t think of it as falling on my sword. I have no intention of ever voting differently than the men whom I respect most in the world. I know that most American men are good and decent people. I trust them. I don’t think of it as fallling on my sword.
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Just a thought: we are told one reason why feminism is necessary is that the old men who run American will favor young men over young women if feminists do not intervene. Does anyone see any evidence of that? When I look around, I see just the opposite. My father was far protective of me and lenient with me than he was with my brother, and that is how most of the fathers I know are. That is how it should be, I think, but it becomes problematic when the old men who run America are so heavily influenced by young women,namely, their daughters. I realize that historically and in many cultures today, old men really do favor thier sons over thier duaghters, but that doesn’t seem to be happening in America, and America is what I am talking about.
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